I came across an interesting post today...
...Here I Am: IIT Bombay v/s IIT Delhi
The blog compares IIT Delhi to IIT Bombay. Go ahead, read it. I'll wait.
Right.
First I must come clean: I studied Applied Statistics at the Math Department at IIT Bombay. I've never been to any other IIT.
The IITs are a real scam. There is a tough test to get in: the Joint Entrance Exam (JEE) and students spend roughly two years studying to get in. So far, so good. The test is actually quite nice: it requires a good sense of Math, Physics and Chem to get in.
The problem starts after you get in. The professors are lousy. Save one or two gems, the Math Department is staffed by some very strange people. One professor was so particular about layout versus content that he gave me a -1 in a homework where the answers were correct but not "cleanly written". Thereafter I didn't submit any homework, saving time, and getting higher marks in the process. Professors have massive egos, and every professor made it a point to remind us of how substandard we were (compared to them, naturally). A few professors were good, no doubt, and made class fascinating. But the mean quality of teaching was far lower than that at St. Xaviers, where I studied for my BSc. Prof Almeida, Gokhale, and Gurjar were lovely.
The second problem is facilities. IIT doesn't have any. In my hostel, it was not unusual for two students to share a 10 foot x 8 foot room. Usually the shared rooms had no space for a table, and one tiny window. The toilets were atrocious, the bathrooms were horrible, and many people did laundry manually. (I did mine by hand for a year, with breaks when the hostel washing machine was working: one month out of twelve.) There was a person who could do laundry for a charge, but he was notorious for losing or damaging clothes, and he was the monopoly provider. The Math Department had good computers, luckily. The IIT library, well, is a story for another day. The library is reasonably stocked with journals, but has nothing on general reading.
IIT takes polished diamonds and turns out polished diamonds (after losing a few to high pressure combustion). What is so great about that? I'm lucky that I only had to spend two years there. Any more and I'd have quit. The place is not conducive to learning or exploring. If you are a parent: don't get seduced by the IIT myth. Get your child to explore and learn instead of getting through the grinder.
Why must we be so inward looking? Why are we comparing IIT Bombay to other places in India. Put IIT to the test and compare it to the International institutions. Does MIT have cows grazing at the entrance to the Math Department? Is there cowdung in Princeton walkways? How much original work was done at IIT Bombay last year? How many successful companies did IIT students drop out to start? Give me an open courseware at IIT Bombay and let's see how good the lectures are compared to the ones on MIT's site. I want to see what makes the IITs a premier institution, because after two years there, I'm still searching.
Saturday, November 26, 2005
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hey vikram.... saurab here. followed a link from your website and landed on your blog!
It warms my heart, my friend, to hear such delicious praises heaped on our alma mater ;) To say that the professors were merely lousy is an understatement, though. It took me all of 6 months to recover from all the brain-washing and powerpoint/latex hell that I went through. (remember the presentations ?)
But anyway, nice experience overall.... great stories to tell grandchildren ;)
I don't know what you are really talking about.But there is one unwanted pathetic complexity that i find among indians like you ,may be it's within me also ,but it sprouts up when we go outside our country , become a bit successful and then we start complaining about our motherland which made us successful.
One classic example was that of Laxmi Mittal he came in india and when asked why he doesn't hires indians from IIMs he said they are not the managers of the future and our company hires only those who are managers of the future ,they don't have any international exposure and so and so.
What i would like to say is ,it is something within our genes that makes us do that and there is no medicine to cure it at present.
anonymous: in fact if you read the blog, you will find praise for St. xaviers College which is also an indian college. so this is not about putting down something because it is associated with india... rather this is about something specific: IIT Bombay (and the IITs). The masses are brain-washed that there is something glorious about IIT that you can find anywhere else ... sure the students are good, but that's only because the entrance exams are tough and the competition is immense. It has nothing to do with the teaching standards, and the overall atmosphere inside IIT, which in my opinion is not conducive to true learning based on interest (rather than exams).
Hi anonymous, I agree with what you say. There is a definite India-bash attitude among Indians abroard. I hope to be free of this bias, but I might not be. I've had lovely experiences in India, but it _is_ important to bash what is wrong. Only when we accept the reality can we fix the issues. IIT Bombay really is terrible, and I told this to my Xaviers teachers within the first few months if IIT study: and I had never left the country then. The Xaviers teachers are just a class apart: Gokhale, Almeida and Gurjar. Worth their weight in Gold.
matke chootiye kyon hote hain, din bhar lab mein aur class mein, full time ghoda giri, what the fuck you guys know about life at iit, life here is great inspite of terrible profs, cows, dogs and M Techs in campus.
Sam: Interesting....There are millions of Expatriated Indians that have never lived in India, who when they arrive at Bombay airport, just want to run away. It appears that there is no pride, those who have been at the airport can attest to this. The bathrooms are horrible, there is unfinished construction, loose hanging electrical cables, and stuff just around the interior, its worse outside. It seems to me that the leaders have failed this country. What a shame!
I agree...Everyone equates IIT to success and people say that once you're in IIT, your Life is "made".
More than 80% of IIT Graduates end up teaching in coaching institutions while a minority get good jobs.Is that success?
IIT is just a hype.And in India,if a Student studying Science is not an IITian, he's considered a failure.That's what hurts me most.
Please remember guys.
IIT != success
xavier's math profs vs iit profs?? u gotta be kidding me man. gokhale was good, and so was gurjar. but i dont think they are a class apart from iit profs. what do u think abt guys like limaye, gks, kd joshi, vd sharma..
ofcourse there are a few black sheep in the dept but i think all of them are atleast as good as almeida whom i regard as strictly avg!
anyway u seem to have had a bad exp at iit..
I have heard mostly glories being sung about the whole educational machinery called IITs. But your view point was different. And since it was different it was refreshing too which i must confess. Probably the IITians perform better which i feel is due to the following reasons:
1) Their analytical skills would have been honed because of their rigorous training for JEE.
2) The confidence which they gain for themselves once they happen to enter the portals of IITs also contributes and it is true that the confidence of an individual increases if he is constantly praised and raised on a podium when compared to his/her other peers who belong to the non IIT junta.
3)The need of the hour for the country i think is quality graduates who can contribute to the fundamental sciences on par with the IT and other Engineering disciplines.
good to know there are people in India who are concerned about the innovations and quality at IIT.. I knew it was all hype and everyone in west (read engineers/scientist) mock at IIT for their regular product and the trumpets blown by Indians.. And then we have "times of india" and it will keep brainwashing people and no one would dare to ask IITs where that huge sum of 70 corore/yr go to ? Whats the brainy research ?
The truth is, the whole education system in India is a big failure and IITs are NO DIFFERENT. Infact, IITs are even worse than a few private colleges because, at IIT teenage kids live under a illusion that they are in some great place.
a DD student at iitb said...
>matke chootiye kyon hote hain, >din bhar lab mein aur class mein, >full time ghoda giri, what the >fuck you guys know about life at >iit, life here is great inspite >of terrible profs, cows, dogs and >M Techs in campus
I am a tutor, and I prepare students for IIT JEE.I am no IITian, but have spent few months in your iit bombay for some project.My personal obseravtion is that M.Tech and the research people are far better than the *Fatkas*.Most of the PGs have troubled family background.They are not in the UG Programme of IIT, because they lacked the facilities to compete.They have learnt the concepts by their own and took time to mature.As an IITian, any careless comment from you does not sound healthy. The strange thing one can easily notice about IIT UGs is their un-necessary superiority complex(there is exception). They think, cracking the exam (where our education system is read, re-read, and reproduce) entitles them to be a creative genius like Einstein or Schrodinger.A brand and continuos encouragement, and confidience gives them passport to a safe career,and they perform what we can expect from any average student.That is possibly Indians are not expecting from IIT.As a teacher, I know from what standard we can push a student till IIT JEE standard. Demands are differnt.we can send an entirely differnt set of people to IIT, but the way they are getting trained there matters only.May be IIT administration has to do a lot.To put more importance on research, and master's programme.Interdisciplinary areas are to be introduced for creative research.Teaching loads on professor needs to be reduced.And at last, if an average Indian takes pride in the IIT, it would not be a bad idea to teach the people inside it to behave sensibly with high moral standrard. Education is a waste what gives ego, and arroagance to one for ones relatively safe position to other in the society. Now, please do not talk me about your excellence, talent etc. Training you in the coaching class is giving me bread and butter.
anonymous sir aap to senti ho gaye matko ko lekar
chill dude!
FATKAS ARE REAL CHUTIYAAS .JEALOUS OF EVERYONE ELSE..KYONBE DD FROM IITB
now that really drives me sick.i am an undergraduate student at IIT KGP,and the kind of an ambience that i live in is i believe worth three years of industry that i took to ,to beat JEE.here we have trailblazing standards unmatched by any other at least in our country.it may not necessarily compare with ther infrastructure or even financial inputs(and concomitant outputs)at MIT or whatever............but don't u realise as to what our economy is like,still the facilities that we are offered suffice to meet GLOBAl standards.you talk of cows grazing about,filth in the hostels,and my God slow computers..........but lemme tell you something,we indians are not very used to getting annoyed at the sight of filth,we like to litter ,seriously,how often do you,an indian,use the trash can?just introspect yourself and you surely will find it boiling down to the individual level..........and let the kids strive,who the hell do u think u are to dissuade their parents from sending them to the IIT.and to tell you frankly,these days are the best for me?and as far as the standards are concerned,IITs still rock.do reply me ,my id is stonecoldjha@gmail.com.
its true that matke chootiye hote hain,said aright in one of the comments above
aur anonymous sir........ur feeling arise out of jealousy.......u will always remain a teacher..........u couldn't clear JEE,what u know presently,is all a culmination of experience coupled with hardwork.....and matkas are ubiquitos chutiyas,i have many points that prove this:
1.matkas in my inst. IIT KGP stay inactive throughout.....woh sochte hain ki 2 saal bitao aur niklo.
2.placement interviews me generally these matkas r described as possessing bookish knowledge......and fumbling unlike we fatkas.......remember fatkas rock.
@ FATKAS
So..here comes another fatka "undergraduate" from iit kharagpur in support of his fake reputation and idiotic views.Just look at this fatka who claims to be an undergraduate from iit kharagpur and talking about the placements.It seems that these fatkas have got nothing to do in their four years and they just come to get a job.Everone knows that among all iit's and reputed nit's iit kharagpur has the worst placement and this fatka comes to support his views on the basis of placement. ha ha haaa...
Nowdays everone,with an undergraduate degree gets away with a good job so that makes all institute a world calss according to Mr. stonecold..What rubbish u are talking of...
In ur 4 years...except simulating the results u people do nothing...
this is justified by the views of the professor's itself.What u people have given back to nation...nothing ... just comes in iit to get away with a good job that's all.U people are in iit not because u are intelligent (except few) but because u were manufactured by some coaching factories.....declining the quality of iit year after year.
for anonymous sir
plz...plz............do tell me the name of your factory,which coaching do u teach in..............mai dekhta hoon ki usme se kitne gadhe aaye hain, aur agar aaj tak koi aaya ho, to believe me main aaj se kisi ko us coaching main nahin jane ko kahunga,,,, i don't want gadhe any more in IITs',people like u lay a waste of nation's resouces and all that.
oh really! u dipstick seem to poke a lot into IIts and all that,what the fuck do u know about the IITs...........have been here for four years.....seen multiple cadres of chutiya matkas,aur jahan tak placements ka sawal hai,despit those 1200 filthy,ragamuffins,cannibalistic,egregious and above all chutiya matkas the average package of IIT KGP was above 7 lacs this is what fatkas .made into,the highest package being 47 lacs,second highest 45 lacs,aap 23 ki age me kitna kama lete the....hahahahahahaha.........aurhahahah.......
just zap through google,the alumni of IITs have done much more than u silly treacherous matkas and tutors.aur aap hamare char salon ki baatkarte hain,un matko se puchho woh 2 sal IIT me kya karte hain.companies se puchho matke kaise hote hain,
dekhiye sir,i really sympathise with you.......u couldn't clear JEE ,its natural human tendency.....i know the story of a fox saying that the grapes are sour.its OK,u just didn't have what it takes to be an IITian,chalta hai,isme apki kya galti.
now see what this reads like:
IITs' Class of 2004 in the big league
9 May 2004, 0214 hrs IST,Sujata Dutta Sachdeva and Shobha John,TNN
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NEW DELHI: For some, the going just gets better and better. And for IITians, the world is literally at their feet this time.
The good news is that most in the Class of 2004 have been lapped up by top-notch companies. And the salaries are better too, with the highest going up to a cool Rs 7 lakh per annum.
"At IIT Kharagpur, placements are a whooping 93 per cent and could even go up to 96 per cent by May-end, when it gets over," says placement incharge Gautam Sinha. Last year, it was 80 per cent. "But then, IIT Kharagpur has been No 1 in this regard for the last three years," he adds.
IIT Madras has done quite well for itself this year too, with 80 per cent of its current B Tech batch having been picked up. The streak continues in other campuses too.
At IIT Bombay, "placements have been better in quality and quantity. Almost 70 per cent of students have been placed in A-grade firms. Last year, the figure was 65 per cent. With IT sector doing well this year, placements too are better," says Prof K N Gupta, placement incharge at IIT Bombay.
According to IIT Kanpur's Prof Ravinder Arora, "We saw 70 per cent placement for the B Tech and M Tech batches. Two years back, the figure was only 50 per cent while last year it was 60 per cent. In fact, 80 per cent of the B Tech batch has already been placed."
What's more, besides regular recruiters, many first-timers have visited campuses this year. In Madras, 65 new firms have made an entry so far.
Of these, 10 are MNCs like Barclays Bank, CitiFinancial and Cybase. IIT Kanpur too has seen around 16 new companies - including Tavant India, Yasu Tech and Transversal eNetworks. PSUs like GSSL, HPCL, IOCL and ISRO are also in line.
"At IIT Bombay, Schlumberger recruited four students at $40,000 per year," says Gupta. A total of 82 students from this Class of 2004 have been recruited so far by foreign firms like Deloitte, GEC, IBM, McKinsey, Motorola and Oracle.
Similarly, companies like IBM, Oracle, Hughes, Samsung, Inductis, are the other big names that have been bodyshopping at the other IITs. While average salaries on offer have been around Rs 4.5 lakh, ITC, HLL and Inductis have made some of the best offers at Rs 7 lakh.
Please....please do not talk about the placements.Placements are everywhere...and those getting 50 lakhs and 60 and 100 are just very very very few ...
@ FATKAS
SOURCE:OUTLOOK April 30,2007
Tata Steel MD, B. Muthuraman, an IIT Madras graduate, says IITs are now thriving on their "past reputation" and TISCO is "not likely to recruit" IIT graduates any longer
Many IIT professors too find the present crop of students lacking in creativity, and the spirit of innovation and inquiry
They blame the students' blinkered, robotic approach to their studies on the fact that a large majority are products of coaching factories.
They call for reform of the joint engineering exam (JEE), and of the IIT curriculum as well, to develop the students' societal awareness, communication skills and knowledge of the humanities.
@ Mr. stonecold
Mr. stonecold one of your post have been removed by the author...it seems that u lost u r cool n intelligence n sharp minded brain in that post.
Try to be cool Mr. stonecold n please contol ur emotions.
@ Mayur
why to go n ask the companies ...results are here n read them with ur eyes wide open..u will be shocked...ha ha ha
Department/Program Statistics 2006-2007
Department Program Reg.Placed
Aerospace Engineerin B.Tech. 23 19
Aerospace Engineerin M.Tech. 29 29
Chemical Engineering B.Tech. 66 60
Chemical Engineering M.Tech. 25 22
Civil Engineering B.Tech. 41 37
Civil Engineering M.Tech. 35 31
Computer Science & E B.Tech. 29 28
Computer Science & E M.Tech. 41 40
Earth Sciences M.Tech. 10 9
Electrical Engineeri B.Tech. 36 35
Electrical Engineeri M.Tech. 61 58
Mechanical Engineeri B.Tech. 46 42
Mechanical Engineeri M.Tech. 32 28
Metallurgical Engine B.Tech. 44 34
Metallurgical Engine M.Tech. 9 6
Corrosion Science & M.Tech. 5 3
Energy Systems Engin M.Tech. 20 19
Environmental Scienc M.Tech. 9 5 Industrial Engineeri M.Tech. 16 16 Reliability Engineer M.Tech. 12 11 Systems & Control En M.Tech. 14 13
Engineering Physics B.Tech. 19 17
School Of Informatio M.Tech. 35 35
School of Bioscience M.Tech. 11 8
Centre of Studies in M.Tech. 4 3
Please mayur do reply me back..n look i do not have much time...so u please go n check the authenticity of these statics from iit mumbai administration...
U fatkas talk like small babys..n next time please support ur coments with statistics..bye...
u know,just imagine someone who slogged his guts out,spent everyday and night battling all odds,frequently limiting sleep hours to not more than 5 hours,for as long as 2 years.have u ever been through such a traumatizing stressful situation.its quite natural as well as justified for someone of that kind to lose his cool seeing the outcome of his perseverance being jeered and compared to, virtually, crap.we deserved to be at the finest technical institutes and we have made to them.....i personally salute each and every one who beats the JEE.and if tutors like you believe that its u who launch them into the IITs,my God,chuck this crap out of your minds....u talk of hype ,right,its your coaching industries that run on hype,which are gimmicks mostly and play with the dreams and aspirations of zillions.i describe that attitude of urs as being utterly cheap and unhealthy.whining about things that u have never been a part of.that's silly eccentricity that leads u nowhere.the average pakage was above 7 lacs,didn't u see that.its ludicrous to see oblivious guys that could never establish their identities ,make fun of institutes like IITB.its all cheap and crap on ur part.our nation can never fluorish if its helms are at the hands of literally cheap people like u.....and one more thing did i lose my cool now.......i don't now.......but there is an idiom saying,"bandar kya jane adrak ka swaad".
ab yeh bhi keh do ki IIMs too have failed the nation.........any management college in ur city is better than IIM.
hey frust,
have a few points to share with you.
1.dont get insulted,but few are not really talented.
2.good trial for a blog,it's never gonna make any impact though.
3.a few are literally born for abuses.
4.dont think ,it might sprain your brain.
5.never read children's stories,your age for learning morals is over.
6.everyone except you understands you better,you are a fake iconoclast with a big mouth and no hands.
there was no need to write these comments originally because you are not unique anyways,copy pasted everything and well applies to you.
for further such comments,freely contact the cows grazing in your department,they have at least got brains.
aur TATA steel me jana hi kaun chahta hai???? mai toh nahi chahta,aur na hi mai kisi ke liye job karna chahta hoon...i'll have my own industries.
so Mr. blogger,what are your initiatives and ground work for improvement of the department in IITb?
a typical matka wouldn't have any ,obviously.but you are shouting a lot,so please answer the simple question.
and if your answer is silence,maintain it forever.suits your types of guys.
@ kKALYAN
Copy n paste oh yes iitians are really good at that....very good at copying...Copying assignments and lab work....
@ Mr.STONECOLD
I know u are really very frustated with those stats...sorry to say but the truth is truth and for people like u nothing can be done.Again the same blah blah over the placements.All u iitians live under the illusion that u are the best and u are recieving the best facilities.Gone are the days when iit used to have best labs (talking of late 90's).just look at the condition of labs..pathetic....how u all people work there..hmmm lagta hai military training going on ...ha ha haaa
U are describing my views as utterly cheap and unhealthy..
"aur TATA steel me jana hi kaun chahta hai???? "This is the respect u have have for so senior alumni of urs...disgusting man and u are talking of national resource..
@ Mr. ANONYMOUS
IIT'S producing so many intelligent graduates every year...and still they need my assistance for the ground work....imrovement in iitb are u joking?????...ok if still u need help u can contact any M.Tech student at ur institution they will tell u how to handle the situation ...don't feel insulted u will at least learn something from the seniors ...
@ FATKAS
From where u all fatkas came to know that u are best and u have the best facilities ???
U don't have any right to judge urself on ur opinion ..u will be judged by others understand .Look at these craps judging themselves.....
M.Tech people are best to judge because before joining in iit they have been to some good institution..n completed their undergradution from there so only they know about all the fake hype created by these iit's and their present set of average students .
DO not feel insulted..because u will be faced to the real truth.
Welcome everyone (especially Stone Cold). I have a detailed reply at the latest post: Let's Welcome Criticism.
Not all comments have been addressed: specifically about the one that asked for improvements, and I'll try addressing them as time goes by.
Thanks, enjoy your stay, and remember that there's a difference between a logical argument, and a random hammering of keys.
oh...that shows your talent dude..
in the whole comment of mine ...the only phrase you could see was "copy and paste".
i already said.."don't get insulted ,few are not really talented"
@ KALYAN
I dont understand why u peple are runing away from the facts....
U urself knows how bad the conditions of iit's are....
ok man ....u live under the illusion..but the facts are facts and everyone knows that...
Best of luck for ur illusive career...
@ Mr. Stonecold
Yes IIM'S too have failed...yes the primary objective of mba graduates is to beome entrepreneur and create job for others..but such is the education system of india that they are busy in finding a job for themselves in lakhs and lakhs and crores...
@anonymous
thats what is the tragedy with you losers,you never love what you get.you need more ,but you would never create one.your personality is fragmented ,integrate it.
like you never have a title in your blog "accept the criticism",you would say "let's accept criticism",you never lead anyone,you never motivate anyone ,you can't go beyond beliefs established.
let me tell you,you are never gonna have fun in your life with such a weak and worthless personality.
BE A MAN.LIVE.ENJOY.
oh yes....u talk of the stats u big mouth,they are far better than your xaviers's and all those fucking shit colleges whose names i don't even recollect.remember don't u forget your status of inferiority,and its xactly this that drives u to waste time discussing,"oh yea the grapes are sour".chill man,there are many other good things in life,have a bash at them,not being able to get into IITs doesn't mean an end to ur world.
really all this is getting interesting man......u know what even a single department at the IIT may cost more than your whole institution.the funds allotted to a single IIT far exceeds those earmarked for all the techinal insti. of india combined.IIT system is the one unmatched in terms of transparency and clarity of the way students are admitted..........all they seek is pure mettle,this is totally devoid of depravity and nepotism.
u guys are an absolute deadloss,u should be ashamed of this.....u guys are inferior and that is a ubiquitos fact,just accept it,stop seething in a corner.u talk of IIT students devoid of innovation,well lemme tell u that a fellow of mine has developed an outstanding android,the idea of the ipod first struck an undergraduate of IIT KGP.this attitude reaffirms that u are little trivial beings easily upset seeing others succeed.
see man as far as the respect for my seniors is concerned,u must know that only respect begets respect.lpq
@ all fatkas
Look all the posts named as anonymous have not been posted by xaviers guy except the one in the begining.I m in no way assosiated with xaviers.So just stop ur bakwaas on xaviers.
OK,u are not from xaviers,didn't u see the other category of colleges that i mentioned along with xaviers,u are from one of such colleges
@ Stupid stonecold
If u come to know from which other catgories of college i belong ....u will also come under that category idiot.
@ STONECOLD
First ur complaint was
1.matkas in my inst. IIT KGP stay inactive throughout.....woh sochte hain ki 2 saal bitao aur niklo.
On this i showed u the coments of ur own alumni and professors from a national magazine,outlook that how the present set of students are bringing down the name of iit.
ur second doubt was on :
2.placement interviews me generally these matkas r described as possessing bookish knowledge......and fumbling unlike we fatkas.......remember fatkas rock.
On this i presntsed infront of u the whole stats of placements n their comparison with silly fatkas.
Thse stats were real shock for u i suppose.
Ur third comment was on high salary package that silly fatkas get.Tujhe lagta hai ki to kar paayega ...bhool jaa bete..tere bas ki nahi ...Learn to respect ur seniors first.
U have been lying all through ur comments .Learn to say and accept truth.I have presented myself with full support of evidences..which u clearly lack..
@ anonymous
If tata n birla had learned to live happily with what they have at that time ...they could have never achieved all that they have today.So mr. anonymous i think u are a big looser in ur thinking.
Are other fatkas in ur istitution have the same thinking then only god can help them...n u please keep enjoyig
as far as ur predictions for my career are concerned u harebrained silly idiot,lemme tell u that i am not a man who lacerates what i couldn't make to,but i have always achieved what i wanted,its my willpower and hardwork,and of course my intelligence which is at least 10 times better than that of u dipsticks put together.and don't u matkas or matka kind of guys teach me as to how i should think,who knows i shall mortgage some of the biggest enterprises that u are talking about,and i can do that,i have always achieved what i wanted,i don't kvetch like u guys do.u never could establish ur identities,just ask urself what u r,just is 100 crore ki bheed ka hissa,just constituting deadwaste.
IITians.no fatkas of IITs are atleast not that.yeah,ll these may sound funny to a typical indian like u,but remember its the power of dreams that has always engendered revolutions,not this nitpicking attitude of yours.i reiterate that this is crummy,CHEAP attitude on ur part,mr.frustvnm
and had i learnt to contain myself with what i had,i would have been one like you guys,not what i am right now ,and not what i will be a few years later,which i would never like to be,frust.......are frust to pata hai na.....
and seniors.....hahaha,i don't care a fuck for them,i am the creator of my own destiny.........don't expect to be respected by me.......remember what i had said ,"only respect begets respect".aur 100 crore ki bheed me khada tere jaisa aadmi mujhe na hi impress kar sakta hai,aur na hi mai use respect kar sakta hoon.
and as far as the comments of prof. and others are concerned,the comments in our applause far outweigh them.
aur mai tumhe ek practical cheez batata hoon,in my insti. our tutorials are taken by matkas unfortunately,called TAs or teaching assistants.TA ,i mean matko se thode conceptual aur ghuma fira ke pucho to unki bolti band ho jati hai,aisa kai baar mere saath ho chuka hai.......because there is basically a difference,fatkas are always innovative,and xplore a subject conceptually,but u matkas learn by rote..........aur mai jhooth nahi bol raha....agar kisi IIT ug ko jante ho to puch lo us se.
What motivates a person who believes the world is perfect? What change would he like to see? If you are content with the world, you'll do nothing to make it better.
The fact is that pointing out to what is wrong is the first step towards addressing that wrong. Our horrible attitude towards women, for instance, cannot change unless we admit to the injustice.
I said, "Let's accept criticism", because I appreciate criticism. It seems like some people here don't. If I shunned criticism, half the comments on this blog would be moderated out.
Further, where do you guys get off on personal attacks: how weak I am, how little fun I have, how my personality is fragmented, and needs a surface and a volume integral?
Is this the best, most logical argument you can come up with?
Beat my argument, not my personality. Show me how IIT is so perfect, and I'll agree I was wrong. The weakness of the arguments here is pathetic.
Here, I'll help you: talk about how IIT Madras (in collaboration with IBM) is involved in a rural outreach project to get technology to the villages.
In the real world, adults argue with numbers, facts, and logic, not this juvenile मटका फटका crap.
the fact of the matter is that the achievements of IITs can't be delineated in blogs.and the kind of posts that u have made ridiculing us,the IITians,fatkas' superiority complex and all that does reflect an impressionable side of ur personality,and also that typical indian maturity that stimulates u guys to mock things that u as a citizen of this nation are supposed to be proud of.it also reflects your mental confinement to a nutshell.
@ stonecold
The whole comment of urs is basically revolving around one and only one thing...and that is u cleared jee long time back ...and u r this an u are that and u are everything " seniors.....hahaha,i don't care a fuck for them,i am the creator of my destiny".This just shows the arrogant nature of urs.
N ur are shouting this from the begining of ur post so that does not make u correct or right or best in any way.
What points u want to raise that is also not clear from ur side...first u were runing after the xaviers student ...then u are runing after the matkaas...then u are runing and shouting about the placements ....Then finally u come out with a point "even a single department at the IIT may cost more than your whole institution".
Through this what u are trying to show ????
After getting so much of money this is the condition of hostels and pathetic condition of labs....
@ STONECOLD
aur mai bhi tumhe ek practical cheez batata hoon,in my insti. Instead of exploring the sujects deeply and understanding it these non CS students (fatkas )tries hard to become the good programmer and are never interested in their core subjects so that they can get into the job...
"fatkas are always innovative,and xplore a subject conceptually" u are making mockery of ur own ..man..........aur haam mai bhi jhooth nahi bol raha....agar kisi IIT ug (other than cs)ko jante ho to puch lo us se.
xcuse me,but it seems like the matkas of this country have too much of time to faff about,but i don't have.gentlemen, continue labouring under the illusions........i don't care a fig for what u guys obliviously believe in.i believe i will be better off doing things that are in the interests of self,my society and above all my country,which i believe needs me.
Call us when you get back to Earth.
First of all, get in.... many of those who join as mtechs were those who cudnt clear as undergrads...
Take any normal mum univ coll student, and put them in a course in iitb elec dept... let me see them pass... that is along with all the other activities that a normal iitian does... agar day night muggo ge toh koi bhi pass hoga...
every single guy in my class is absolutely brilliant.. any time kisi bhi coll ke student ko beat kar sakte hai... ( profs ki maar lete hai in lectures... and these profs are acknowledged world leaders in this field)
@ the original poster
Frankly : In my personal experience with the maths dept.... it sucks.. absolutely sucks... or we were given the worst of the maths dept profs ....
Elec dept on the other hand is filled with absolutely wonderful profs... extremely helpful and all of them are world renowned... some of them actually developed the field of nano electronics in India.. they started it... they are leading it... let me see any other college that can talk of such profs... and most students are also taking full advantage of this...
The more transparent procedure adopted in 2007 reduced the corresponding cut-off marks to 1, 4 and 3, making a mockery of their purpose of ensuring that selected candidates displayed a certain minimum level of knowledge in every subject.
hiii...stonecold to sacchi me hi GRE ke liye joro shoro se prepare kar raha hai..i am about to be a matka(cs) this year..its true that competition-wise the jee is much tuffer than GATE..moreover,i would like to ask one question to stonecold that are all the matkas so pathetic..(u no..,this is for my own information,so pelase tell..cos i am about to become a matka..)..secondly,are all the fatkas like u?sale,sari zindagi to TMH aur MLK karne me bita diya hai..kiss sport me tu accha hai sale..futball khelna aata hai..??aa jana maidaan me..teri duniya sirf variables me hi rehe jayegi..i do respect ur intelligence(if u have)..but i will only find u superior to me if u invent something..jada intelligence hai to kuch invent kar..tujhe physics/maths chorke kya aata hai..?me tujhe ye sab isliye bol raha hu kyu ki tujhe ye sab GRE ke baad aplication me kaam aa sakta hai..(because i dont think u have done great projects in ur life..)..aur agar kiya hai then fine..aur jise company kholni hoti hai vo GRE nahi deta hai sale..mba de..herd mentality hai tera..sab dete hai gre..tu bhi de raha hai..ISRO,etc ke bare me sohca hai??kyu??money??india me rehe kar kuch indian economy ko aage bara..tab me tujhe salute karunga..ur intellegence(in any) is dead..of no use to us.
(to stonecold)
tujhe respect karne bolta hi kaun hai?agar tu kuch country ke liye karta hai..ya india me great company kholta hai..tab me teri izat karunga..sale..khud prega,khud kamayega,aur khud khaye ga..this clearly shows ur motivation that was there wil u solved ur TMH u selfish..u studied it for earning more and more in ur life..u are no different than me,..really..hawa me mat ur..agar me time deta to mera bhi hojata..sale..1 month parke screening paar kiya hai mene..mains me i missed by 10 marks..(chemistry which is rote learning)..overall 3 months para tha..rest time futball khela,masti kiya,guitar bajaya..sale gandu..i am smatter than u..u studied for 2 years,i did it for 3 months..so i am more brainy than u..tu agar bina pare jee crack karta to me tujhe genius keheta..(bina pare in the sense no extra preparation)..u have already admitted that u have slogged hard..jo bhi..zamin pe aaja..aur agar respect ke liye hungry hai to india me great company khol..ya phd karke kuch invent kar..
Ab to obc reservation ke baad har aeraa-geraaa iitian banegaa aur kahega main ho the great genius is desh kaa... jise maths ..physics aur chemistry to aati hai par engineering nahi ....
obc hona chahiye..its good for the country..par itna jyada bhi nahi..
really..obc and sc and st..they must be misusing their great oportunities..if they are not misusing..then its ok..aur aisa bhi to socho..iit me agar hum seekh ne ki intension se aate hai..then we ,as well as obc and sts can learn from even the worst professors..unfortunately..all the them,the obcs,the sts..and including some of the fatkas feel that once they are at iit,their job is done..4 years of stagnation for such people..
Ye JEE hangover inko barbaad kiye pada hai.sale number one ke chutiye hain.Ek exam nikal diya life.Usee ka khana chahte hain life bhar aur usee ka gaate rehte hain aur isee chakkar mein pata nahin kitne fatke barbaad ho jaate hain.Highly indisciplined bakchod aur haramkhor type ke.Inko saalon ko JEE clear karne ki pension milnee chahiye.tab inke kaleje ko thandak milegee.Ek exam jo kuch ghante ka hua tha kabhi uske liye inko life bhar ki haramkhori aur akad chahiye. Inkee gaand pe thappa laga do JEE cleared .Usko dikha kar har jagah inko kuch na kuch fayda milega.Actually ye ek frustratin hai.Jab ye JEE clear karte hain to inke coachingwale aur ghar wale bhar dete hai dimaag mein ki tumne koi noble prize jeeta hai.Phir kuch din baad(kabhi kabhi 4 saal aur kabhi kabhi usse pele hee) saaree hawa nikal jaatee hai.then they still want to live on taht chutiya type superiority complex aur koi sune na sune apne JEE ki gaatha sunate rehte hain(marte dam tak) as if paramveer chakra jeeta ho kabhi salon ne, actually kayee saron ke paas bas wahi bachta hai batane ko.this is not a general comment, but applicable to many of the self glorified JEE crackers.
I know these things because I have met many of prajatiyan , have lost the race to non JEE crackers to ab koi bhi baat hotee hai to bechare JEE ka sahara lete hain.Phir laat maar ke aukat pe laya jaata hai, tab line pe aate hain.
IIT is IIT only Because of its student.A technical Institution should Be one which encourage Research and Not Reservation.MIT may have RESOURCES,But IIT has Students.I feel The quality of students that IIT attracts has given taken for granted status for the Administrators.They Need to understand that these students are very high potential People.They Need to be given Right avenues and Option.Engineering is not abt learning in pressure unlike a Management.Its about free thinking.We need to Invest alot on these kids because they have the mind which avails lot of technical contribution.Technical Institution teachers must merely guide the students.By this what I mean is they must do there job whole heart idly without ego!!!!.But unfortunately that's not case among many teachers.I hate this IDEA of increasing IIT's.If you are increasing numbers then better Change names..else the TAG IIT will affect the MUMBAI,chennai,KGP etc ...which are ELITE.We need quality at the highest level...rest they may increase the quantity...I mean At NIT's and other institutions.
thr is no way a possibility tht more than 80% of the IIT guys are teaching in coaching institutes.....!!!!the statement by sanchit is a mere act of ignorance or shud i say frustration???
i think the second one is better....may b bcoz u were not able to get into the IITs :P
From Thirdy of IIT-B
life at iit rocks because a lot of ppl see a hell lot of opportunities(both academic and personality wise),meet the the best people/brains etc etc and then there are few suckers who see the cow-dung and think that there wont be any in Princeton.Man,it would had been a hell for u na here,I know some fellow guys who share ur thought process..except that they play AOE,bunk classes,copy paste assignments and write in obsolete language while copying(a pathetic trick to fool Prof that they do only mental process and care less about worldly matters like good handwriting)
Dude,imagine urself presenting a paper in internationale with THAT writing,there were two ways to take that -1 in ur homework
-robin
I have just one thing to say- I LOVE IIT BOMBAY, It has shaped my life and made me what I am today. PLEASE DON'T INSULT MY ALMA MATER.
IIT Bombay- You are the best!!!
Though the original thread is 4 year old, all the thoughts are applicable still today. About the cows in campus, this is how I looked at it.
When I was in Brisbane, one foreigner asked me "Is it true that you have cows on the road in India"? I said "Yes, we do have, the same way you have women in bikinis on road. But that we do not have in India".
Well I am in IIT Delhi presently doing B. Tech, completed 3rd year. If whatever you have written is true, either IIT-D is much much better than IIT-B, or things have just changed a LOT in the last 4 years. The profs are really good, at least most of them....and the handwriting thing you have written is just non-existent. All profs look for content only, and marking is very fair, the only bad thing being the weird criteria for allotting final grades, but I wouldn't go into that.
There are Dogs in the campus and there are a few pics in circulation in the net where dogs can be seen to be attending lectures more attentively than students rofl. Washing machines and Geysers are not a problem at all, and the Comp services center has a good number of fast working comps, although you cant be sure of the internet speed. Library still has got no general reading stuff except some old Hindi novels.
Well..
I'm glad people outside IITs really started questioning capabilities of IITs.As an insider I want other insiders to think over these issues.
1.How many of us really study for the sake of itself i.e, out of passion.All the time we think of CPI/GPA and we do really ignore the real reason for what we are studying.We dont think beyond CPI.
We measure our friends on basis of their performance in exams. Exams,especially the way they are here are in a pretty bad shape.They kill enthu and creativity.Its like IITs take good people and kill their enthu,passion(not in all cases).Hope atleast some of you agree with me on this point.
2.We think of jobs and placements right from 1st year of our IIT episode.We do a projects or participate in a cult fest hoping that these would be worthy writing in a resume.We dont try to find out what we really like to do.Are we not enough confident about ourself?I feel its like selliing myself in a market and constantly striving for making my price better and better.Isn't it like that.May be our society and parents have brain washed us for 20 years like this and its hard for us to come out of this but how many of us atleast think of this that there's something wrong somewhere.Do we atleast dare to think of a start up.Its not that markets saturated,we dont dare.We want to on safe side,we opt or jobs,or IIMs just 30 years of polishing and our brains become numb.Our country at present needs such people...confident,efficient,courageous,risk takers
3.Thats right.IITs educational system along with indian are dumb.They stress more on exams,books et cetera that kill free thinking,openness.When will the hard heads at the top of the system understand this?Why arent they open to new rooms of ideas.Without new ideas,reforms,India will not do better.
Please do reply to my above comment if you feel there's anything to be said in favour or against.
hi all,
i am doing my mtech in electrical dept of iitd and these are some of my observations...
1. i am very happy with the quality of teaching ...although the facilities available have been a touch disappointing.
2. i've seen some very good btech students and some really ordinary ones as well. and this is true for mtech students as well(atleast in elec dept). so if ppl say that btechs in iit are superior to mtech-----it might not really be true or possibly true only for that batch....and i also believe the quality of mtech students has steadily increased.
3. as far as mtech students not participating in any events....i can say that i have found mtech to be very demanding and leaves hardly any time for extra activities........but this might not be true for other depts
4. during the time i have spent in campus i have noticed that students(mtech and btech, both in equal measure) lack general courtesy...by this i mean , students don't bother using the trash cans, they do not flush the toilet(!!!!) and they waste food offered in mess each and everyday!....if students in an educational institute behave like this, then is it a surprise that our cities are so full of garbage?
@Stone cold:
dude, u might be really smart...but first learn some manners. Learn to respect people. By this, I am NOT referring to respecting your seniors etc., I am asking you to learn your fellow human beings ...irrespective of whether they have studied at the iits or not...
And yeah, when you start working(anywhere...ur own or otherwise), you will be in for a real shock....nobody is going to lick your ass simply because you have cracked the JEE. With the kind of attitude that you have shown, you will be in for some real *fun*
@Stonecold
Heehee...|-)
Matkas are ___ and fatkas are ___!!
What a stupid generalisation...
I would say that there's atleast one fatka who could be a real genius (i mean to crack the JEE...)but definitely is one jerk of an idiot. Haha....
Well... That was from a poor lesser mortal of a Mumbai University Engg. Grad. just out to make a living....
and contemplating being a 'matka'.
I kinda used to look up these IIT Btech. fellows yaar...
CAn u tell me which of these is an IITian???
1. A M Naik ( Chairman L & T)
2. CMD GAIL
3. Ratan N Tata ( Chairman Tata Sons)
4. Yogesh Devshwar (ITC)
5. BVR Subbu ( President Hyundai India)
6.Mukesh Ambani
7. Shiv Nadar ( HCL)
??? unfortunately none ( or fortunately)
THey head 100s of IITians or so called extremely intelligent people about to take on the he world...
Does the IIT B Tech guys have any reply to this...
+ comparong it to MIT n Caltech why on earth do IIT guys come rushing to MIT and Caltech to do their MS...cant they do it in the much hyped IIT and be content
@Student
Dude...why so pessimistic!!
MIT and Caltech are much more older than IITs and certainly they are leaders in research.IITs inspite of many hardships are doing well even though not very well.And about your list...you conveniently skipped out people from IITs.On what basis did u choose these people(Anil Ambani,Ratan Tata..they aren't self made billionaires).Also,IITians probably could be more successful in software industry or so on rather than manufacturing sector of whom your list comprises.
haha...funny stuff..Vikram and neha seems to be concerned with lot more stuff.They dont sound like they are born and brought up in india..they are more concerned about cow dung...Dude behave like u r indian and according to indian standards iits are best..
Does it really matter if Btechs are superior?
dude i did my mtech from iit-kgp.
Why do u guys are always after mtech's.U dont have to compare urself with us..we agree u guys
have better aptitude to get into iit.
But how does it matter dude..can u tell me how many of iitians who do their btech in iit go for phds?
see how much justice you are doing
being superior?
dude being an mtech i dont feel shame but i am really proud of what iam now...I started my own company and employed some of the IITians who did their ug in iit...
Does this really matter? NOOOOOOOOOOO way
I'm happy that I chose RVCE Bangalore over the IITs. We had cows grazing there too and some professors were frustrating, but others were gems. I had a great bunch of friends, developed a real interest in subjects because of my visits to the science and defence labs in Bangalore and as a result enjoyed my studies in mechanical engineering. Subsequently I have been employed with two leading Indian companies for around six years now and plan to do a PhD next year. And I think my RV education actually helped me - better than having your natural curiosity and interest in engineering destroyed by egomaniacal professors.
I have had to work with IITians throughout my career - and only once was I impressed with the person - it was a 1973 passout. But he too seemed too wishy washy and whimsical to do actual great work in industry.
In all, I agree that the IITs are a huge scam, and that the alumni are highly over rated. The really talented ones don't study in college and do great stuff once they pass out. The studious ones get burnt out, and the good enough ones get good enough government jobs.
Bloody engineers!!Get some real work done instead of fighting amongst yourselves.There will always be people with professions that command better respect and money than you so don't think of yourselves as inferior or superior amongst yourselves.From what I hear, all engineering colleges including IITs have a lot less work and lots of fun!!
Yeah True ..Matkas are all Chutiyas...sorry I couldnt read all comments but thats a generalize and universal clause .
At the day of JEE, one student missed sit by 5-10 marks. Now welcome u r non-iitian as if they are loser, there self pride is at stake. ok, who got through JEE desrve to be happy but what about who missed it due to some reason. About thousand student miss it by these small marks, due to health reason, or luck.... It hurts most of the time to the students in this category. AND they can't even cope up with these bad thoughts and ruin there studies in other coll.. What we need is about 100 of IIT or brand like them. See news channel, magazines, news papers, govt. even doesn't think much abt nxt in line NITs, IIIT's.
IIT... IIT ... IIT.
Common i feel very bad about student just nxt to them. AND plz. govt. give us world class institute other than IIT. So that talent of one can be decided by other exams and institute at world level.
GROW UP!
You cannot expect an Indian Institute to provide world class facilites like a big and spacious hostel room to each and every student.40% of our population is below poverty line
and you are a post graduate from IIT , you hardly realise how much the entrance exam develops the mind of the student.
You criticism is very childish and stupid , at least learn to make good points and to present them in a less idiotic manner.
This matka must be some a#$ from an NIT or BITS or some other crappy shit college where students think that they were "unlucky" to get through IIT. Bull shit they were just not good enough and they cry...they'll cry till eternity... and regarding quality...these so call talented NITians 10 pointers go to IIMs just on the hype of their colleges and there even IIT 7 pointers beat the shit outta them...I knw I am an IITK and IIMA alumnus..
@above
oh man!!!!! u r IITK and IIMA alumnus. u got time to comment and tht too in very bad way (unprofessional). 5-10 marks makes huge difference in JEE. and talent of one is decided by mere one entrance (JEE).. and today most students r frm coaching factories.. u say about 10, 7 pointers of iit,nit.. tht is where improvement is needed in indian education. there must be NOT VERY MUCH diff. between IIT and NITs and other college.
IIT entrance can be cracked by cramming.By cramming I don't mean the process of learning by heart the way we learn the English alphabets. By cramming I mean the lack of the questioning attitude. You test students by asking questions on the subject . But are they ever judged by the pertinent questions they can ask about the subject. You learn the formula E=MC^2 and do you ever think what on earth that means?
With the effort you put into clearing these exams, you can find a position in a North American university ten times better than IIT .
I am doing PhD in Chemistry. , which provides the top living chemists ranked based on there contributions. I found that in a very long list of about five hundred chemists (http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/news/2007/april/23040701.asp) you would find only two Indians, but not any where in the top. A few more Indians names appear but none of them are educated in India.
And here is a list of the most sought after research supervisors , http://careerchem.com/RECRUITMENT-CHEMISTRY/Advisors.pdf .You wont fight an Indian in the list. So do you think someone should take the trouble of getting into IIT or IISc to do research when you can find a place abroad at much less effort. He/She can put that effort into something bigger than getting into IIT.
Thanks for sharing !! Helpful information for iit jee students.
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